I'm not sure if, say, in two years, we are back in the world.

Are we using the internet the same way?

Are we using mobile apps the same way?

Are we thinking of the internet as maybe it's better off in the house? Hello and welcome to Tech Won't Save Us, a podcast that absolutely loved to see Lily

Wukowski attack Elon Musk and Ivanka Trump on Twitter.

I'm your host, Paris Marks, and today I'm speaking to Joanne McNeil.

Joanne is the author of Lirking How a Person Became a User, and she's also written for a number of different publications, including The New York Times, the Los Angeles Times, Wired, and the Baffler.

She writes a column at Filmmaker Magazine called Speculations, and you can follow her on Twitter at

at JOMC.

I think you're really going to like our conversation today where we talk about how online

platforms affect us as users and how our experience online has evolved since the beginning of

the internet until today.

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Joanne McNeil, welcome to Tech Won't Save Us. Hi, Paris. It's great to speak with you today.

So you have this new book called Lurking, where you kind of talk about how our experience online

has evolved over the course of, I guess, a couple or a few decades now, as the internet has

slowly evolved and, you know, kind of taken a greater role in our lives as we've come to use

it more and more. And even the way that we form communities on

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