There's something beautiful about being optimistic with technologies.

There's something really gross about being a historical with technology, right?

And that's what is bothersome right now.

And that's what is bothersome right now. Hello and welcome to Tech Won't Save Us, a podcast that wonders why the government seems to be more reliant on tech giants with every crisis that passes.

I'm your host, Paris Marks, and today I'll be talking to Bianca Wiley.

Bianca is the co-founder of Digital Public and Tech Reset Canada, and she's also a senior fellow at the Center for International Governance Innovation.

You can follow her on Twitter, where her handle is at Bianca Wiley.

We talked about the problem with how governments are responding to COVID-19 by centering tech

companies and tech solutions

instead of investing more in public services and ensuring that we have a robust social

structure in place to help people who are falling through the cracks. I really think you're

going to like this conversation, so make sure to listen the whole way through. And obviously,

if you like it,

when it's all said and done, please leave a five-star review on Apple Podcasts that really helps

where the podcast is new and only launched in the past few weeks. Thanks so much and enjoy the interview.

Bianca Wiley, welcome to Tech Won't Save Us. Hello, thanks for having me. A few weeks ago, the government of Canada announced that they have made a deal with Amazon

to kind of manage the logistics of delivering their emergency supplies around the country.

So when you read that story and sort of the very few details that have come out since, what has kind of been your

reaction? Yeah, a couple points. I think the first one was reminiscent, actually, of something

that was sidewalk Toronto as well, was when it was announced. The prime minister announced

it and sort of announced, we're doing a deal with Amazon Canada in the middle of this emergency

and sort of looked like, just be happy now because I said that, right?

...