who cares what he tries to do?

What he's actually doing is incredibly dangerous. Hello and welcome to Tech Won't Save Us, a podcast that wonders why anyone is listening to Tech billionaires for medical advice.

Today I'm speaking to Ilari Kyla, a Finnish-American freelance writer and composer in residence at the Hong Kong

University of Science and Technology. His writing has appeared in Aeon magazine, Jacobin magazine,

Mufda magazine, the Finnish broadcasting company and others. He also blogs at limited hangout blog.com

and tweets at at Ilari Kyla. Today we speak about Elon Musk, his recent tweeting about COVID-19,

lockdowns, and everything else he's up to right now. Elari also makes the point that

Musk also sounds a lot like a cult leader. If you like our conversation, make sure to leave

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Hey, Larry Kyla, welcome to Tech Won't Save Us.

So happy to be here, Paris.

Ah, it's great to speak with you.

So obviously, you wrote this blog post about two years ago on kind of like the cultish

aspects of Elon Musk, to put it mildly.

But first, I do want your impression on what he's been tweeting

lately. Obviously, he's very focused on the virus and kind of the government's response to that.

He's called shutdown measures fascist. He's been tweeting a lot about the science of COVID-19.

And a lot of scientists and doctors say that he's

getting a lot of that wrong. And obviously there's this really infamous tweet that he sent back on

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