Don't hold anything too tightly. Just wish for it, want it, let it come from the

intention of real truth for you, and then let it go. For me our soul is like it's

unbound, it's limitless, but we will use words to limit ourselves. When people

stop believing that somebody's got your back or Superman's coming we turn to

ourselves and that's where you become empowered. Courageous participation attracts

positive things. I'm Gwyneth Paltrow. This is the Goop podcast, bringing together

thought leaders, culture changers, creatives, founders and CEOs, scientists,

doctors, healers and seekers, here to start conversations because simply asking

questions and listening has the power to change the way we see the world.

Today is no exception. I'll let Elise fill you in on her extraordinary guest.

All right, over to Elise. David Michaels, as an epidemiologist and professor at the George

Washington University School of Public Health, he has extensive experience in research,

regulatory and public policy and program administration. He was appointed by President

Barack Obama and became the longest serving assistant secretary in the occupational safety

and health administration's history, otherwise known as OSHA. He's also the author of the Triumph

of Doubt, Dark Money and the Science of Deception. It's a fantastic and fascinating read.

Today we're talking about the way science is manipulated and leveraged against regulation

in favor of the industry. David explains that we can look at it as public relations,

disguised as science. He takes us through many ways industries have manipulated and withheld

information to make a profit. The tobacco industry being the most banana as example

in skincare as well. We talk about mining and lung cancer rates and the NFL's response to

players suffering from brain injuries and concussions. David's argument is that even when we look at

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