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How Much Do You Need for Early Retirement? (How to Calculate Your FI Number)

BiggerPockets Money Podcast

BiggerPockets

Education, Investing, Business

4.53K Ratings

🗓️ 11 July 2025

⏱️ 42 minutes

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Summary

What’s your financial independence number (FI/FIRE number)? Are you being too conservative, or are you cutting things close? Do you even have one? Today, we’re taking a deep dive into this hotly debated topic to help you build a nest egg that will support your early retirement! Welcome back to the BiggerPockets Money podcast! How much money do you actually need to retire? For years, the four-percent rule has been the “official” stance of the FI community. But why is it, then, that so many people continue saving and investing when they can comfortably retire? In this episode, Scott and Mindy talk about their own FI numbers, how they calculated them, and how their financial positions have evolved over time. You’ll learn whether the four-percent rule still works today or if you need a larger buffer! If you’re worried about inflation, one of the best things you can do is keep your living expenses in check. This might seem out of your control, but there are several ways to either lock in certain costs or eliminate them entirely. We’ll discuss the many advantages of a paid-off house, self-managing your rental properties in retirement, and a one-time investment that could help you save thousands of dollars over your lifetime! In This Episode We Cover How to calculate your financial independence number (and when to adjust it!) The four-percent rule explained (and whether it still works in 2024) Why most people chasing FIRE don’t retire on the four-percent rule How to control your expenses and protect against inflation in retirement The “home run” investment that could save you thousands of dollars And So Much More! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

your fine number at its very base is 25 times your annual expenses. But does your fine number

0:07.7

change over time? What considerations should you put into your fine number and how frequently

0:12.8

should you revisit it? That's what we're going to talk about today. Hello, hello, hello, hello, and welcome to the Bigger Pockets Money podcast.

0:24.3

My name is Mindy Jensen, and with me as always is my calculating co-host, Scott Trench.

0:28.8

Thanks, Mindy.

0:29.3

Great to be here with someone who excels at personal finance the way you do.

0:33.4

Today, Mindy and I are going to be talking about calculating your FI number.

0:36.7

Yes, it's 25 times your annual expenses, or if you're Frank Vasquez, you might argue it's 20 times your annual expenses.

0:43.8

But there are a lot of nuances to that number.

0:46.2

And what compiles your FIRE number?

0:49.9

What are the expenses you need to plan for?

0:52.5

There's a lot of depth to this discussion.

0:54.3

And I'm excited to get into it with you today, Mindy. We have all heard of the shockingly simple math

0:59.8

to early retirement, which is a blog post written by Mr. Money Mustache some 10, 12 years ago now.

1:06.2

Go check it out if you haven't read it yet. We've discussed it multiple times here on the show.

1:10.8

But the

1:11.8

savings rate that you have and the amount you're going to spend after retirement may be different

1:17.6

numbers. There may be different ways to massage or tweak that number. And we're going to get into

1:22.4

all of that nuance here today on Bigger Pockets Money. I think one of the best places to start on

1:27.4

this is to talk from personal experience. Mindy, when did you decide on your here today on Bigger Pockets money. I think one of the best places to start on this

1:27.6

is to talk from personal experience.

1:29.4

Mindy, when did you decide on your fire number

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