How Much Do You Need for Early Retirement? (How to Calculate Your FI Number)
BiggerPockets Money Podcast
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🗓️ 11 July 2025
⏱️ 42 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | your fine number at its very base is 25 times your annual expenses. But does your fine number |
| 0:07.7 | change over time? What considerations should you put into your fine number and how frequently |
| 0:12.8 | should you revisit it? That's what we're going to talk about today. Hello, hello, hello, hello, and welcome to the Bigger Pockets Money podcast. |
| 0:24.3 | My name is Mindy Jensen, and with me as always is my calculating co-host, Scott Trench. |
| 0:28.8 | Thanks, Mindy. |
| 0:29.3 | Great to be here with someone who excels at personal finance the way you do. |
| 0:33.4 | Today, Mindy and I are going to be talking about calculating your FI number. |
| 0:36.7 | Yes, it's 25 times your annual expenses, or if you're Frank Vasquez, you might argue it's 20 times your annual expenses. |
| 0:43.8 | But there are a lot of nuances to that number. |
| 0:46.2 | And what compiles your FIRE number? |
| 0:49.9 | What are the expenses you need to plan for? |
| 0:52.5 | There's a lot of depth to this discussion. |
| 0:54.3 | And I'm excited to get into it with you today, Mindy. We have all heard of the shockingly simple math |
| 0:59.8 | to early retirement, which is a blog post written by Mr. Money Mustache some 10, 12 years ago now. |
| 1:06.2 | Go check it out if you haven't read it yet. We've discussed it multiple times here on the show. |
| 1:10.8 | But the |
| 1:11.8 | savings rate that you have and the amount you're going to spend after retirement may be different |
| 1:17.6 | numbers. There may be different ways to massage or tweak that number. And we're going to get into |
| 1:22.4 | all of that nuance here today on Bigger Pockets Money. I think one of the best places to start on |
| 1:27.4 | this is to talk from personal experience. Mindy, when did you decide on your here today on Bigger Pockets money. I think one of the best places to start on this |
| 1:27.6 | is to talk from personal experience. |
| 1:29.4 | Mindy, when did you decide on your fire number |
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