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The Best Investing Order of Operations for FIRE (2025)

BiggerPockets Money Podcast

BiggerPockets

Investing, Education, Business

4.62.9K Ratings

🗓️ 8 July 2025

⏱️ 37 minutes

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Summary

In this episode of the BiggerPockets Money Podcast, hosts Mindy Jensen and Scott Trench discuss the order of operations for investing your money to achieve FIRE. They outline the steps for both traditional early retirees and those looking to invest in real estate (or start a business).  If you’re a beginner in the FIRE movement, start here and work through these steps to FIRE the fastest. If you’re close to FIRE already or at a significant financial milestone, don’t worry. We have tips you can use right now to retire earlier and avoid the “middle-class trap” that kills so many FIRE dreams.The episode dives deep into why each step is essential and provides actionable tips for maximizing your investment strategy based on your personal goals. What We Discuss: Investing Order of Operations for FIRE Invest Order of Operations for Real Estate Investors Why we prioritize a Fully Funded 401(k) over a Roth IRA And SO much more! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

When it comes to investing your money, there are a lot of opinions on the best way to do it,

0:04.8

especially if you're hoping to achieve financial independence and retire early. So today,

0:10.0

Scott and I will help you take the guesswork out of how and when you should be investing your money.

0:24.2

Hello, hello, hello, and welcome to the Bigger Pockets Money podcast.

0:30.0

My name is Mindy Jensen, and with me as always is my investing in the right order co-hosts Scott Trench.

0:30.7

Thanks, Mindy.

0:37.1

In today's episode, we're going to take some steps to teach you what the right steps are in terms of what you should do with your money.

0:42.0

Today's episode is an attempt to answer the question, what should I do with my money as I accumulated? And there are two orders of operations we're going to present to you here today.

0:47.6

One is going to be for a traditional early retiree or traditional retiree, someone who's going to

0:52.6

go down the ladder of these tax

0:55.0

advantaged accounts in the order that we think is best in terms of maximizing the advantages

1:00.2

that these accounts offer for the typical listener of Bigger Pockets Money.

1:03.9

The second order of operations we're going to discuss is one that's geared towards

1:08.0

somebody who is thinking about investing in real estate or starting

1:10.9

a business, somebody who needs after tax, cash, and liquidity because they got better alternatives

1:16.7

than the very powerful benefits offered by these tax-advantaged accounts.

1:21.9

With that, let's get to it.

1:23.0

The first order of operations for fire, and the first step here is to build a $1,000 emergency fund.

1:28.2

The second is to attack bad debt, which we define as debt with an interest rate of 8% to 10%

1:33.7

or higher. The third step is to take the 401k match, the free money offered by your employer.

1:39.7

The fourth is to take advantage of an employee stock purchase plan, purchasing the stock at your

1:44.7

company at a major discount. The fifth step is to fully fund your emergency fund, which we're

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