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Most people imagine crime as something obvious. Drug cartels trafficking cocaine.

Corrupt politicians stealing from the state.

Gangsters stuffing suitcases full of cash.

But crime on that scale has a problem.

Sooner or later, the money has to enter the legitimate economy.

And yet, the financial machinery that launder's criminal wealth wasn't built for criminals alone.

It was built for anyone with enough money to hide.

Oliver Bolo is a journalist who has spent years investigating this hidden financial underworld.

In his new book, Everybody Loves Our Dollars. He shows that the same financial architecture that allows

billionaires to dodge taxes and corporations to hide profits also allows drug cartels,

kleptocrats, and sanctioned regimes to launder their money. There isn't a separate criminal financial system. There is just the global financial

system. And governments around the world have proved remarkably bad at controlling it. I'm Thomas

Small. This is my conflicted conversation with Oliver Bolo.

Hello, Oliver. How are you? Welcome to conflicted. Thanks for coming on the show. I'm

really pleased to be here. I'm great and looking forward to having a good chat about all the most important issues

in the world.

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