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CONFLICTED

Why Freedom Failed in Syria

CONFLICTED

Message Heard

History, Religion & Spirituality

4.7 • 1.5K Ratings

🗓️ 2 April 2026

⏱️ 65 minutes

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Summary

In this Conflicted Conversation, Thomas speaks to journalist and author Anand Gopal about his wonderful new book Days of Love and Rage, a profoundly moving and intellectually stimulating history of the Syrian revolution told from the perspective of the northern town of Manbij. Anand and Thomas discuss: Anand's first-hand witnessing of 9/11 How Anand embedded with the Taliban Revolution as a crisis of faith and collapse of social reality Manbij as a microcosm of the tensions of Syrian modernity The failure of Manbij's democratic experiment and the limits of liberalism How ISIS exploited both material grievances and liberal norms Baathism: egalitarian ethos vs authoritarian reality Find Gopal on X: https://x.com/Anand_Gopal Join the Conflicted Community here: ⁠https://conflicted.supportingcast.fm⁠ Find Conflicted on X: ⁠https://x.com/MHconflicted⁠ And Facebook: ⁠https://www.facebook.com/MHconflicted⁠ And Instagram: ⁠https://www.instagram.com/conflictedpod⁠ And YouTube: ⁠https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sdlF1mY5t4⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit ⁠megaphone.fm/adchoices⁠ Conflicted is a Message Heard production. Executive Producers: Jake Warren & Max Warren. This episode was produced by Thomas Small and edited by Lizzy Andrews. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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The Syrian Revolution is often remembered as a struggle between dictatorship and freedom, between

1:13.7

Assad's totalitarian state and the liberal hopes of the Arab Spring.

1:19.4

But the truth is more complicated.

1:23.9

Anand Gopal is an award-winning journalist and the author of Days of Love and Rage,

1:30.0

a remarkable account of the Syrian Revolution told through the lives of those who lived it.

1:37.8

The book demonstrates that in places like the northern Syrian town of Menbidge, the ideals

1:43.7

of freedom and rights proved too thin

1:46.7

to withstand the demands of real political life, bread, order, justice, belonging, especially

1:55.6

when pitted against ISIS's brand of populist, conservative, religious politics.

2:03.1

What began as a democratic uprising became, in one city, a test of whether liberalism could

2:09.9

survive war, inequality, and social fracture.

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