How Modern Life Makes Us Unhappy | Bill von Hippel

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🗓️ 11 August 2025

⏱️ 60 minutes

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Economist and researcher Bill von Hippel joins AJ and Johnny to unpack a surprising question: if modern life is safer, richer, and more comfortable than ever, why do studies suggest hunter-gatherers were happier than we are? Bill shares insights from a decade of studying the “social paradox” — the gap between our material progress and our emotional satisfaction. They explore what ancient communities had that we’ve lost, how modern conveniences can backfire on our wellbeing, and why relationships, purpose, and shared struggle might matter more than comfort and entertainment. Bill also explains how rethinking connection, gratitude, and challenge can help us reclaim the fulfillment our ancestors enjoyed. What to Listen For [00:00:16] Bill defines the “social paradox” and why it fascinated him [00:00:45] Why hunter-gatherers may have been happier despite hardship [00:02:14] The hidden downsides of modern convenience and abundance [00:04:38] How community bonds shaped happiness in ancient societies [00:07:52] The role of shared struggle in creating meaning [00:10:05] Practical ways to bring ancient principles into modern life [00:12:47] Why more comfort doesn’t always mean more joy A Word From Our Sponsors Tired of awkward handshakes and collecting business cards without building real connections? Dive into our Free Social Capital Networking Masterclass. Learn practical strategies to make your interactions meaningful and boost your confidence in any social situation. Sign up for free at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠theartofcharm.com/sc⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and elevate your networking from awkward to awesome. Don’t miss out on a network of opportunities! Unleash the power of covert networking to infiltrate high-value circles and build a 7-figure network in just 90 days. Ready to start? Check out our ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠CIA-proven guide⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ to networking like a spy! Indulge in affordable luxury with Quince—where high-end essentials meet unbeatable prices. Upgrade your wardrobe today at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠quince.com/charm⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ for free shipping and hassle-free returns. Ready to turn your business idea into reality? Shopify makes it easy to start, scale, and succeed—whether you're launching a side hustle or building the next big brand. Sign up for your $1/month trial at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠shopify.com/charm⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Need to hire top talent—fast? Skip the waiting game and get more qualified applicants with Indeed. Claim your $75 Sponsored Job Credit now at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Indeed.com/charm⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. This year, skip breaking a sweat AND breaking the bank. Get your summer savings and shop premium wireless plans at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠mintmobile.com/charm⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Stop needlessly overpaying for car insurance. Before you renew your policy, do yourself a favor—download the Jerry app or head to JERRY.com/charm Connect with quality therapists and mental health experts who specialize in you at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.rula.com/charm ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Curious about your influence level? Get your Influence Index Score today! Take this 60-second quiz to find out how your influence stacks up against top performers at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠theartofcharm.com/influence⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Episode resources: View Bill's Books on Amazon Bill's Instagram Check in with AJ and Johnny! ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠AJ on LinkedIn⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Johnny on LinkedIn⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠AJ on Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Johnny on Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠The Art of Charm on Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠The Art of Charm on YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠The Art of Charm on TikTok Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0	watching TV actually is a lot of fun. But the problem is that it's not the kind of fun that has any impact on your life satisfaction. Nobody ever says, oh my God, I've had a great life. I've seen a shit ton of TV, right? What actually means something to you is those memories you have of go into them all with your friends and trying to meet girls and trying to get a band started and doing all those fun things. It's just that every time in the moment, there's some
0:21.1	hard yards in those other activities, those social ones, and those hard yards don't exist of just
0:25.6	turning on the TV. The temptation is to go the easier route, rather than doing the things that
0:30.4	actually are meaningful, that are going to give you really high yield, but have a little bit of risk
0:34.4	associated.
0:45.2	Welcome to the show, Bill. It's great to have you.
0:47.0	Thank you. I'm delighted to be here.
0:51.3	Well, we got to start off with finding the social paradox. What is it?
0:58.1	Okay. So the paradox is, how could it be that our lives are so much richer in so many ways from our ancestors? If you look at hunter-gathers, they bury about 40% of their children.
1:05.0	They don't own anything, really. They only can own what they can carry. They have no security
1:10.7	for tomorrow because it's what you kill today own what they can carry. They have no security for tomorrow because
1:11.7	it's what you kill today is what you eat today. And they have very few sources of entertainment,
1:16.5	right? They don't get to go play golf or go skiing or do any of the kinds of things that we do.
1:21.1	And yet, if anything, the data suggests that they're happier than we are. And that paradox kind
1:26.3	is mind-boggling to me, and that's what I spent
1:28.4	the last decade trying to figure out. Yeah, I'm trying to put myself in the place of a hunter-gatherer,
1:34.0	and I feel like I would be a lot happier being me than carrying everything and roaming around
1:38.3	to eat. Well, this brings up an interesting point. What are the metrics used to ascertain that conclusion?
1:46.7	There's two different ways that the work has been done. So with the Hadza, who are hunter
1:51.1	gathers who live in Tanzania, they simply ask them, have you, over the last few weeks,
1:57.4	have you been happy? Have you been sometimes happy and sometimes sad or sad? And when they
2:03.1	ask that question of the Hadza, they get over 90% saying happy. When they ask that exact same
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