I think that he might want to be remembered as a Kangis Khan, but it won't be necessarily

for the conquest of the wide swathes of the world, but rather for the kind of devastation

and destruction left behind. Hello and welcome to Tech Won't Save Us, made in partnership with The Nation magazine. I'm your host, Paris Marks.

And before we get to this week's guest, I just wanted to talk a bit about our five-year membership drive, which is happening this month.

Over that time, I have recorded hundreds of conversations with different tech critics, academics, journalists, workers, and other people who are involved in this industry and have important things to contribute to how we understand the role that technology

and these major tech companies are playing in our lives. Obviously, given the moment that we're in

with Silicon Valley's alliance with Donald Trump, the role that Elon Musk is playing in the White

House, though, we'll see if that is maybe starting to shift. And the broader right-wing

embrace of the tech industry, I think these

conversations are more important than ever to educate people on what is going on and the deeper

impacts of these technologies and this way of developing technology that we often do not think about.

Being able to continue doing this relies on the support of listeners like you.

And that's why I'm asking more of you to go support the show on patreon.com so I can continue

having these conversations, making the show, and giving people a different perspective

on what this tech industry is doing to the world we live in.

This month, I set a goal of getting 100 new supporters so I can make a

new series on defense tech and the relationship between Silicon Valley and the Pentagon,

and an even bigger goal to get to 150 new supporters, and then I'll start working on a zine

to start presenting these ideas in a different way, which I think will actually be a pretty fun project.

So far, we're at about 80 supporters,

so we're nearly to that first goal. And as we enter into the final week of this campaign,

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