Democracies do survive when people who were in positions of power have to account for gross violations of the law.

And in fact, one of the things that is true about democracies is that they only really survive when no one is above the law, right?

If there's a particular political class, there are sort of dual legal systems where there's

one group of people that constantly benefit and one group of people who are constantly disadvantaged

and the way that the law treats them, it's very hard to argue that is a system that is going

to persist as a qualitative democracy.

Good morning.

I'm Guy Kalasaki. This is the Remarkable People podcast. And as you know, we

scour the world looking for remarkable people to inform and inspire you. And we found another

great remarkable person. Their name is Erica Chenoweth. And I have been pursuing

Erica for a long time because I read all these references with their names. Erica is a political

scientist and a leading expert in civil resistance and non-violent movement.

Erica is a professor at the Harvard Kennedy School and co-directs the non-violent action lab.

Erica's groundbreaking research shows that nonviolent campaigns are more effective,

more morally compelling, and strategically superior.

Welcome to remarkable people, Erica.

Thank you so much, Guy.

Delighted to be here.

Well, you know, through the genius of Madison's scheduling for this interview, it's now a few days after the No Kings Saturday. So I suppose I'm the first person to ask you this question. Just like no one's ever asked me what it was like to work for Steve Jobs. But anyways, give us your analysis of the No Kings Day,

the number of people, the activity, the reaction, all that kind of stuff. What is Eric's analysis

of No Kings Day?

Thank you. Great question. I will say my team at the Crowd Count and Consortium is still

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