Brené Brown on What It Takes to Lead with Courage
Guy Kawasaki's Remarkable People
Guy Kawasaki
4.5 • 679 Ratings
🗓️ 12 November 2025
⏱️ 36 minutes
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Summary
What if the key to real leadership isn’t standing tall—but standing firm?
In this episode, Brené Brown and Guy Kawasaki unpack the lessons behind her new book Strong Ground. From pickleball injuries to the physics of leadership, Brené explains why teams and societies can’t build on dysfunction—and how true courage begins with stability and self-awareness. Together, they explore what it means to lead without armor, to stand your ground when everything feels uncertain, and to bring vulnerability back to the center of power.
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| 0:00.0 | I think what I would tell someone going into college right now is we're unwittingly, |
| 0:06.3 | some people wittingly, building a world where there are going to be thinkers and consumers, |
| 0:12.5 | creators and consumers. We want to be on the thinking, creating side. Your attention, |
| 0:18.1 | your thinking, and your focus are commodities that algorithms are desperate to get a hold of. |
| 0:23.9 | Protect them at all cost. |
| 0:25.8 | Read. |
| 0:26.5 | Don't let anyone talk you out of liberal arts classes take them. |
| 0:29.3 | Be mindful of how much time you spend consuming versus creating. |
| 0:39.0 | So listen, my podcast is called The Remarkable People Podcasts. |
| 0:44.5 | That's why you're on it. |
| 0:45.8 | All right. |
| 0:46.4 | Wow, right off the bat. |
| 0:48.1 | Oh, Bray, don't be, don't be so modest. |
| 0:51.2 | Brene, on my podcast, I've had Bob Cheldini, David Ocker, Angela Duckworth, Carol Dweck, Richard Thaler, |
| 0:59.2 | and now, Prunay Brown. |
| 1:01.7 | I have arrived. |
| 1:02.3 | That's the lineup right there. |
| 1:03.5 | I have arrived. |
| 1:05.3 | This is a big moment. |
| 1:06.5 | I can die tomorrow and I die happy now. |
| 1:09.8 | I'm excited to be here. |
| 1:10.8 | I've followed your work for so long. |
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