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Welcome to the Mona Charon Show. So glad you could join me today. I am delighted to welcome Ian Bassin, who is the founder and

executive director of Protect Democracy, also a former Associate White House Council in the Obama

administration, MacArthur Fellow, also known as a genius grant recipient, and a friend

of mine. So, Ian, thank you so much for being here. There's so many things I want to get to.

It's good to be back on the show, Mona. I know we've been trying to figure out how to get back

together for a little while. I'm glad we're doing it right now because this is a moment where we can

really, we need to talk about what's going on right now.

We sure do. So we're, we meet on the day that NATO is being murdered, uh, arguably. Um,

and our whole international order is sort of transforming. Uh, you know, I, I don't know if you saw yet the speech by Mark Carney,

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