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Hello, creatives. I'm Joanna Penn. And this is episode number 707 of the podcast, and it is Tuesday the 8th of August

2023 as I record this. In today's Inbetweenisode, I'm talking to Steph Projonas about why writing

with AI tools is so useful and important for people with chronic illness, disabilities and limited time or limited energy.

And this is something that is not being talked about so much, but is critical for accessibility.

And Steph talks about her personal experience with post-viral fatigue,

and we also share other examples we've heard about of people whose lives have been changed

by AI tools.

And we're certainly not outing anyone, but we've both just heard from so many people.

People can actually work again.

They can finish books.

They can reach readers after years of struggling.

So it's an encouraging, positive look at co-creating with AI tools.

And as always, remember, as Walt Whitman said in Song of Myself, do I contradict myself? Very well,

I contradict myself. I am large. I contain multitudes. So yes, you are allowed to have complex and

nuanced thoughts on AI. It is not an all or nothing thing. You can use it for some things and not

others. And plenty of us are using AI tools ethically as part of our creative process. I've recently shared how to use

Claude, which is a language model from Anthropic, in a video for my patrons for generating sales

descriptions, as well as more emotional Facebook ad copy, questions for readers or book groups,

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