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This is CBSI on the world.

I'm John Batser. Hotel Mars, episode N. David Livingston, Dr. Space himself of the space show is here as my colleague, co-host and co-pilot. And we're looking for Mars. Well, not immediately. Low Earth orbit will do. We welcome the senior space editor for Ars Technica magazine I most enjoy, Eric Berger, who is also the author

of two books about SpaceX and Mr. Musk's quest for to die on Mars. He puts it that way poetically.

Erica, a very good evening to you. I begin immediately with the story so far, which is nine tests

that have used different procedures,

either capturing the super heavy or not, either setting up a starship one or Starship 2 that tests

out how many tiles we can take off, how it performs in space, how it lands on the ocean,

all of those different iterations, test, test, test.

At this point, what is the prospect for SpaceX for getting what it wants from these tests?

Are we looking at nine more tests?

Three more tests?

Do we have a timeline?

Good evening to you, Eric.

Well, good evening. And I think the question is a great one, because we don't really have the

answer to it. You know, the most recent flight tests, I think, was part success and part failure.

The success came with the, you know, the relaunch of a first stage for the first time. So they

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