This is CBS, I on the World.

I'm John Batchelor. Hotel Mars, episode N.

David Livingston, Dr. Space himself from the space show joins.

David, a very good evening to you.

We're going to the beginning.

And I mean the beginning such that it's not about time.

It's about how everything was created once upon a time.

And we welcome a very special guest, Enrique Gastanaga, of the University of Portsmouth,

the Institute of Cosmology and Gravitation, as well as the Catalan Institute for Space Studies in

Barcelona, Spain, and the Institute for Space Studies in Barcelona, Spain, author of a

forthcoming book, The Black Whole Universe. That gives everything away. So welcome, Enrique.

It's a wonderful, wonderful opportunity to talk to you.

And I contribute what I can of reading about cosmology. The James Webb Telescope has been

demonstrating evidence of galaxies forming much too early for the general understanding of the

creation of everything, the Big Bang

leading to ionization, leading to complex galaxies forming, first big stars and then complex

galaxies, the first billion years. And these are inconsistencies that challenge the general

accepted theory of cosmology about creation.

The black hole universe is another look at the same result, but different beginnings.

If the word beginning is useful, forgive me for using time.

A good evening to you, Enrique, what is the black hole universe, your forthcoming book?

Good evening. Thank you very much for having me here. It's a pleasure to be with you.

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