Well, welcome everybody to the Jim Acosta show. We are still asking the question, where are the Epstein files? I am so pleased that the great historian, Heather Cox Richardson is with me today. We need to end the week with a look at the big picture, I think. Yes, Trump is overwhelming us with the lies and the scandals and the corruption and the attacks on democracy. But I think Heather can explain how this country has a

addition of enduring and overcoming some of these enormous challenges. And a little later, I'll

speak with Ezra Levin about his group Indivisible and how they're basically trying to channel the

TV show, the hit TV show, and Dore these days. But we'll talk about that a little bit.

But first of all, hi, Heather,

great to talk to you in person or kind of in person. It's a pleasure. I'm really looking forward

to it, Jim. Thanks for heaven. You know, absolutely. And I guess, you know, one of the things I wanted to,

just to start off the conversation, I was really happy to see you wrote about the late congressman

and civil rights pioneer John Lewis in your

letters from an American substack yesterday. This was on the fifth year, I guess, since Lewis died

from cancer. And you wrote, today as the storm over the release of the Epstein files became a

maelstrom, the American people rallied at more than 1,500 sites nationwide to protest the Trump administration and a day of action to honor Representative Lewis.

Organizers of the Good Trouble Lives on Day of Action about to take it to the streets, courthouses, community spaces to carry forward his fight for justice, voting rights, and dignity for all.

And I love that you quoted him here. He says, this is Representative Lewis once telling an audience, my philosophy is very simple.

When you see something that is not right, not fair, not just say something, do something,

get in trouble, good trouble, necessary trouble.

Heather, people are exhausted right now, but I think the message that you have there is just

so very perfect for this moment. I was determined yesterday not to follow the Trump train.

That is, so much of our lives these days seems to be constrained by watching what the next

thing is that Trump or his administration are going to do. And the problem with that issue, well know, is that if you let somebody else define the world you live in, you are living in their world. And, you know, that's one thing that I think Representative Lewis would have spoken up about and said, you know, we do have to take into consideration what the administration is doing, of course, but we must not let it define us or what this nation is.

And so it was a really funny coincidence that it was the fifth anniversary of his passing at the same day that we had that extraordinary story dropping from the Wall Street Journal.

And that story I knew would keep, well, it seemed like an

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