Welcome to The Spectator podcast. I'm Lara Prendergast, online editor.

This week, we'll be discussing what Hillary Clinton's America could look like, and we'll be speaking to Tristram Hunt on Labour's England problem.

We'll also be hearing from Douglas Murray, who will be announcing the winner of his President

Erdogan Offensive Poetry Competition. First up, what should we expect from a Hillary Clinton presidency?

I'm joined by Christopher Buckley and Freddie Gray to discuss. So Christopher, isn't it the case at the

moment that there are many conservatives and many Republicans who want anyone but Trump?

The answer is yes. What we're essentially being handed is a, is a Hobson's choice, and perhaps

the mother of all Hobson's choices. As the proposition in logic goes, who says A must say B, if you,

as a conservative say, A, I could under no circumstances

vote for Donald Trump, you are in effect saying B. One of these two people is going to be president,

barring some really unforeseen event. But at the moment, you know, we seem to be going through

some kind of Elizabeth Kubler-Ross progression of, you know, anger, acceptance, denial, rejection, and finally coming to terms with it.

There are a lot of things you can say. She's very bright. She has Maggie Fatscher levels of energy. She does her homework. Yes, the elite of Whitehall would be much, much, much more comfortable with her. I mean, who wouldn't be than with this orange maniac? But the trouble is she's dull. We must confront the essential fact about Hillary is that she is interesting only as a

phenomenon, as a kind of, if you will, American Vita, only, you know, without the balcony.

She is not interesting.

I suppose the only positive for Trump is that he is interesting.

Well, yeah, Hitler was interesting.

Mussolini was interesting. To a point, Lord Copper, unbearably so. We are at this juncture because Trump understands how to be entertaining. So our choices are to be wildly entertained or to be bored. You choose. It's a tough one.

Freddie, normally British prime ministers stay out of American elections. Can you imagine

them coming out in support of Hillary? I think so. I mean, I suppose it depends how successful

Trump is at sort of reinventing himself as a possible president. But yes, I think the appetite

for virtue signaling in Britain and particularly among Britain's politician is so great that they won't be able to resist endorsing Hillary to show how much they hate Trump.

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