Vicki, thanks for joining us today.

Thank you, Kwame.

I've been looking forward to this for some time.

Same, same.

It's nice to meet you.

Likewise, I have heard great things.

We have a lot of mutual friends and we have a mutual mentee, Minson.

I'm sure he'll come up at some point during this interview, so shout out to Minson here.

So how would you get

it started by telling us a little bit about yourself and what you do okay um try and

make it short um so i uh i spent 25 years um as a lawyer litigating complex commercial cases.

Some of them involve products.

I spent a fair amount of years doing environmental insurance coverage work,

which is frankly the thing that led me first to mediation

because I was sitting around a table with maybe a dozen or more

attorneys from the most expensive law firms in town trying to figure out how we were going to

answer interrogatories from the oil company that was suing the insurance carriers. And I thought this is insane.

You know, we could take this money and just apply it directly to the wound. I, you know,

it just seemed crazy to me. It was the first time I was involved in that level of, you know,

a couple hundred million dollar litigation.

I represented Lloyds of London, and we were usually kind of not primary carriers, but first

level access.

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