In the end you know people keep saying to me if you genuinely believe that it would 100% fail what you were proposing why or how could you possibly entertain that and to me the decision became very binary it was either leave them to die a very slow awful death from starvation exposure or infection let alone the psychological terror that that would impart upon them or you take them out and probably they'll die but they'll

be anesthetized and asleep when that happens so essentially using them and you know I think there's a very pragmatic answer to that question one or the other all welcome back or welcome to if you're new here to the finding mastery podcast on Michael Jervé and by trade and training I am a sport performance psychologist

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now this week's conversation is with dr. Richard Harry Harris he's an australian anesthesiologist and a cave diver who played a

crucial role in the tom long cave rescue this podcast it might change you it might change you ways because it's going to force you to take a look at the way that you make decisions in your life and it's going to force you to examine how would you act under the conditions that dr. Harris dr. Harry as he's known by how he makes his decisions so in essence in 2018

doc was about to depart on a cave diving holiday with his friend and they were requested by the tide government on the advice of british cave diving experts attempting to rescue 12

Thai children and their soccer coach who were trapped in the tom long cave system and the whole idea is that like they are trapped

these two gentlemen dr. Harry in particular from australia were the go-to's across the planet

but as this story unfolds it is absolutely remarkable the decision making

tree that he had to go through and so i wanted to speak with Harry to understand

how did he do it what were the bumpers what were the frameworks what were the

ways that he was trying to sort out what was right was it intuition was it science was something else

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