Welcome to Betrayal Trauma Recovery. This is Anne. I'm continuing the conversation with Shannon Thomas, author of Heeling from Hidden Abuse today. If you did not hear last week's episode, please go do that first and then join us here. I am

recording this on March 15th, 2020 and it will air in I'm not sure like maybe three four six weeks is

so I don't know what the status is of the coronavirus so I don't want to say anything it could be really bad it could be

okay I don't know but I think we're all apprehensive about the future right now on

March 15th and I hope that by the time this airs things have gotten better but if they have not know that my prayers are with you.

And also a betrayal traumaal Trauma Recovery Group,

thank goodness, is all online.

So you can get the help that you need immediately.

Please go to our site, BTR.org

to be able to speak with someone who understand your situation. You don't have to leave

your house. You can do it from your closet. You can do it in your car. As long as the internet

is still working, we are here. All right, now we're going to catch up with the conversation with Shannon Thomas, and I start talking by explaining our demographic here at betrayal trauma recovery that we've specifically focused on wives and ex-wives of

porn users and porn use as an abuse issue.

On this podcast I speak in a gender segregated way because our audience

betrayal trauma recovery is solely for women victims of male perpetrators

although I recognize that there are some abusive women out there and there are women who use pornography.

I don't want to discount that but because this audience is specifically for women victims of male perpetrators.

The pressure that they're under to hold things together

is crazy.

And the psychological damage that it does

because not only are they being abused

by their addicted husband but they're being also

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