Healing in Anxiety Disorders (Episode 118)
Disordered: Anxiety Help
Josh Fletcher and Drew Linsalata
4.9 • 665 Ratings
🗓️ 25 July 2025
⏱️ 44 minutes
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Summary
In this episode of Disordered, the guys tackle one of the most misunderstood concepts in anxiety recovery: healing. Sparked by a listener question about balancing relationships with anxiety recovery work, the hosts dive deep into what healing anxiety really means - and what it doesn't.
The Problem with "Healing" Language
Drew and Josh explore how the word "healing" can be problematic in anxiety recovery, often implying that people are broken and need fixing. They discuss how healing anxiety culture can keep people trapped in endless cycles of inward focus and compulsive self-improvement.
Real vs. Imaginary Healing
There is a difference between meaningful healing (like processing grief or trauma) versus the endless pursuit of healing anxiety symptoms. They emphasize that anxiety disorders often require learning and skill development rather than traditional healing approaches.
Living vs. Healing
A central theme emerges: in anxiety recovery, we don't heal to live - we live to heal. The hosts challenge the notion that extensive inner work must precede living your life, suggesting that engaging in meaningful activities IS the recovery process.
Timestamps:
4:30 - Why no one gets to define healing for you
8:00 - The "resource gathering" compulsion trap
13:40 - How healing language can keep you stuck
16:00 - The dangers of AI-driven anxiety advice
21:40 - When healing actually makes sense in therapy
26:30 - Why being "already healed" might be the answer
29:00 - The never-ending healing journey problem
33:00 - Self-development vs. living your life
The hosts suggest that many people struggling with anxiety may already be "healed" - they're simply learning to navigate life without anxiety being center stage. Rather than endless healing pursuits, recovery often involves doing less inner work and more actual living. The episode challenges popular wellness narratives while maintaining hope for genuine recovery through practical, reality-based approaches.
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Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | Hello, Josh and Drew. My name is Caroline from Denmark. So I have a question for you about my anxiety and my journey and everything. I was sick like two months ago or something. And then I started to get better, of course. But with that came a lot of anxiety and, like, health scares, OCD, |
| 0:22.7 | the whole nine. And then I started to get better, of course, which you do eventually, which is |
| 0:28.4 | amazing. And in that process, I also started to see my ex again. It's been a really healing process, |
| 0:35.5 | really lovely, and I'm so happy to have him back in my life. |
| 0:39.1 | But I guess my question is, is it too easy or is he distracting me too much from the healing process? |
| 0:47.5 | I have done a lot of self-development in that area and really became extremely close to myself. But I still have a hard time |
| 0:57.0 | sometimes. But is it bad that he's distracting me from learning more about the anxiety, I guess? |
| 1:05.8 | Is it bad? Should I do more myself? I think that's my question. Thank you for everything you do. I really |
| 1:12.0 | appreciate it. Welcome to Disordid. This is episode 118 called What is Healing and Anxiety Recovery? |
| 1:27.2 | My name is Joshua Fletcher, also known as Anxiety Josh, |
| 1:30.4 | and I'm a psychotherapist and author based in the UK. |
| 1:34.5 | I'm a previous sufferer of many anxiety disorders |
| 1:37.4 | and commit my life, professional life anyway, |
| 1:41.6 | to raising awareness, providing education, and providing insights into |
| 1:48.7 | anxiety recovery in a world full of strange, messy, horrible misinformation. And I'm joined by my co-host. |
| 1:56.0 | Yes, I'm Drew Lin Salata. I am a therapist practicing in the area of anxiety and anxiety disorders |
| 2:00.8 | in New York on the other side of the ocean. |
| 2:03.4 | And also a former sufferer of the very things we talk about on this podcast for many years of my life on and off. |
| 2:08.8 | I've written books on this. I got an expensive microphone. I post on social media about anxiety and mental health. |
| 2:14.3 | And I, yeah, I have this podcast. I'm another podcast. podcast and it's just this is what I do I'm |
| 2:18.2 | I'm into the whole anxiety thing so yeah that's what we're all about uh thank you to Caroline from |
| 2:25.0 | Denmark for sending in a really good question and it's inspired the topic for today's episode |
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