HEADLINE: Ukraine Advances in Sumy, NATO Urged to Boost Russia Sanctions GUEST AND TITLE: John Hardie, Foundation for Defense of Democracies; Bill Roggio, Senior Fellow for the Foundation for Defense of Democracies SUMMARY: John Hardie discusses Ukraini
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🗓️ 16 September 2025
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GUEST AND TITLE: John Hardie, Foundation for Defense of Democracies; Bill Roggio, Senior Fellow for the Foundation for Defense of Democracies
SUMMARY: John Hardie discusses Ukrainian advances in the Sumy border area, noting Russia has redeployed better units to other regions like Donetsk, focusing on areas near Pokrovsk. He suggests Ukraine's counterattacks are part of an active defense, and their focus on Pokrovsk is strategically sound despite manpower shortages. Hardie highlights recent massive Russian drone barrages, including one into Poland, as a "wake-up call" for NATO to improve cost-effective air defenses. He advocates for stronger US secondary sanctions on Russian oil revenue and untying Ukraine's hands for long-range strikes.
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| 0:24.0 | This is CBSI and the World. |
| 0:25.5 | I'm John Batchel with my colleagues, |
| 0:27.1 | John Hardy of the Foundation for Defense of Democracy, |
| 0:29.6 | watching Ukraine contest, |
| 0:31.6 | and NATO to the watchtowers. |
| 0:35.3 | Bill Rajio is my colleague and co-host. |
| 0:40.2 | John, talk of secondary sanctions a week past, Mr. Trump frustrated with Vladimir Putin's sweet words on the phone, but then hawkishness |
| 0:49.1 | and violence when he unleashes those missiles and drones. So, secondary sanctions are genuinely feared, |
| 0:58.0 | I'm told, because they would shut down all ability for countries to trade with Russia. |
| 1:04.1 | There's also the matter of resupply of air defenses from NATO nations flowing to Ukraine. |
| 1:10.2 | All of that has been talking these recent weeks. Is any of it |
| 1:14.5 | more than talk yet or in your opinion, John? So President Trump over the weekend made a post on |
| 1:23.6 | social media where he basically said, you know, we'll do, we'll put, the U.S. will put |
| 1:28.6 | tougher economic pressure on Russia if NATO countries go along and he kind of set out some |
| 1:34.8 | conditions, including a complete halt to imports of Russian oil by NATO countries. |
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