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HEADLINE: Ukraine Advances in Sumy, NATO Urged to Boost Russia Sanctions GUEST AND TITLE: John Hardie, Foundation for Defense of Democracies; Bill Roggio, Senior Fellow for the Foundation for Defense of Democracies SUMMARY: John Hardie discusses Ukraini

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🗓️ 16 September 2025

⏱️ 14 minutes

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HEADLINE: Ukraine Advances in Sumy, NATO Urged to Boost Russia Sanctions

GUEST AND TITLE: John Hardie, Foundation for Defense of Democracies; Bill Roggio, Senior Fellow for the Foundation for Defense of Democracies

SUMMARY: John Hardie discusses Ukrainian advances in the Sumy border area, noting Russia has redeployed better units to other regions like Donetsk, focusing on areas near Pokrovsk. He suggests Ukraine's counterattacks are part of an active defense, and their focus on Pokrovsk is strategically sound despite manpower shortages. Hardie highlights recent massive Russian drone barrages, including one into Poland, as a "wake-up call" for NATO to improve cost-effective air defenses. He advocates for stronger US secondary sanctions on Russian oil revenue and untying Ukraine's hands for long-range strikes.
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0:30.1

This is CBS Eye on the World. Here's John Batchelor.

0:37.3

I welcome John Hardy of the Foundation for Defensive Democracy watching the Ukraine conflict and the NATO confrontation

0:39.3

with the Russian Federation and its axis of evil? Some say. And Bill Rajo, Senior Fellow Foundation

0:47.4

for Defensive Democracy, keeping the Long World Journal, where you will find Mr. Hardy and other

0:52.7

colleagues filing on the conflicts around the world.

0:55.8

We go to a variety of headlines coming from Reuters in the last 12 hours.

1:00.5

All fresh stuff.

1:03.5

UK summons Russian ambassador over NATO airspace violations.

1:08.5

That was four hours passed in these last hours and then cluster munitions

1:15.9

caused more than 1,200 civilian casualties in Ukraine war, says a global monitor. And then

1:21.0

Russia flexes military muscle with hypersonic missiles and bombers during drills in Belarus, Operation Zapad, with the Belarusian

1:29.8

military. Finally, importantly, President Zelensky says Ukrainian forces make progress in the Sumi

1:36.9

border areas. John, a very good evening to you. Bill is here, and we're all gathered around to hear what the Sumi border area progress means for the overall understanding that we're negotiating on the battlefield as we're negotiating in the diplomatic suites.

1:55.5

What is Sumi and what is Mr. Zelensky pointing to? Why now? Good evening to you.

2:02.0

Hey, John, Bill. Great to be back on the show.

2:05.7

Sunni is a city in northeastern Ukraine near the border with Kerskalbless, the territory that Ukraine

2:14.5

launched an offensive in August 2014.

2:18.1

They were later pushed out, as the listeners I'm sure know.

2:22.8

After that, the Russians started attacking across the border, gained a little bit of ground there, kind of pushing toward the city itself.

2:32.1

Ukrainians deployed some reinforcements, were able to stabilize the situation and

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