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HEADLINE: Interpretations of the Non-Proliferation Treaty and Iran's Nuclear Program GUEST NAME: Henry Sokolski SUMMARY: Henry Sokolski discusses his article questioning Iran's interpretation of the Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT). The debate centers on wh

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John Batchelor

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🗓️ 19 September 2025

⏱️ 3 minutes

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HEADLINE: Interpretations of the Non-Proliferation Treaty and Iran's Nuclear Program
GUEST NAME: Henry Sokolski
SUMMARY: Henry Sokolski discusses his article questioning Iran's interpretation of the Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT). The debate centers on whether a country suspected of being a weapons maker has the right to enrich uranium, given the NPT's language concerning "peaceful" use. Iran claims Article 4 permits any activity claimed to be civilian.
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0:00.0

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0:26.1

Nonproliferation Education Center, about an article that he and a colleague wrote about

0:32.0

interpretations of the non-proliferation treaty that Iran may be in violation of,

0:38.7

maybe have always been in violation of,

0:40.8

because of a suspect nuclear weapons program.

0:43.7

This has to do with the language of the original NPT from the 1970s,

0:48.2

and the lack of enforcement of the language comes to the word peaceful,

0:54.7

enriching uranium to make quality for bombs can be argued to be empowering your reactor.

1:04.8

But do you have a right to enrich uranium if you're a suspect as a weapons maker?

1:10.1

Henry takes us down the path, noting that this article

1:14.0

that Henry published in the U.S., in English, a bullet of atomic scientist, was picked up

1:20.4

an attack by the Tehran Times in English in Tehran. Why? Here's Henry to explain the interpretation of the Nonproliferation Treaty about enriching fuel.

1:31.2

Do you have a right to enrich fuel in your territory if much more of this tonight?

1:38.4

They certainly are claiming that and they're arguing that a proper understanding of article

1:45.2

Article 4.

1:49.1

Article 4, Article 4, excuse me.

1:52.2

Article 4 is that it must allow them to do anything that they can claim might have a

1:58.6

peaceful or civilian application, as long as it's occasionally

2:02.8

visited by some international inspector. That is a rather generous view, one that various American,

2:13.1

European, and lots of Asian and developing countries have long endorsed, but it's built on a legal and historical castle made of sand.

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