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The Conversation with Dasha Burns

He was right about inflation. Biden wasn’t. Larry Summers on what’s coming next

The Conversation with Dasha Burns

POLITICO

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🗓️ 22 July 2022

⏱️ 40 minutes

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Ryan caught up with the former treasury secretary — and thorn in the side of Biden White House economists — Larry Summers on the sidelines of the Aspen Security Forum for a wide-ranging interview about last 18 months of economic debates, why so many policymakers got the inflation debate wrong, what Summers thinks about Joe Manchin blowing up Build Back Better over inflation concerns, what Biden — and Pelosi — are getting wrong in their approach to China, and why we are almost certainly headed into a painful recession. Ryan Lizza is a Playbook co-author for POLITICO.Larry Summers is the former U.S. treasury secretary.Afra Abdullah is an associate producer for POLITICO audio.Kara Tabor is a producer for POLITICO audio.Brook Hayes is a senior editor for POLITICO audio.Adam Allington is senior producer for POLITICO audio.Jenny Ament is executive producer for POLITICO audio. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

One of the consequences of 40 years of low inflation is that everybody who'd

0:05.6

warned about inflation had turned out to be wrong. New administrations often have

0:10.5

one big policy debate that defined their first year. Bill Clinton and deficit

0:15.7

reduction, George W. Bush and terrorism, Barack Obama and the stimulus. For Joe

0:20.2

Biden, it was about inflation and he got it wrong. Policy makers have a tendency

0:26.7

to want to make new mistakes rather than to want to make old mistakes. Larry

0:33.0

Summers was president of Harvard, Bill Clinton's treasury secretary and Barack

0:37.3

Obama's top economic advisor. But nowadays he's best known as the democratic

0:42.5

policy maker outside the government who got the biggest question of the last two

0:47.3

years right when all of his colleagues inside the government got it wrong. I

0:52.0

hadn't seen a moment before where I was led to think we were having hugely

1:00.2

dangerous overheating. In February 2021, he wrote not bad in the Washington

1:06.7

Post making two big points. One, the Biden stimulus package was too big and could

1:14.0

overheat the economy. And two, if inflation did take root, it could make it

1:20.7

politically impossible to pass the long-term progressive priorities in the

1:25.7

president's bill back better plan, which he supported. White House aides scoffed

1:30.9

at his arguments, but he was right. Inflation is running higher than it's been

1:36.4

in decades. And both the White House and the Fed have declared that addressing

1:41.5

inflation is their single highest priority. Last week, when Joe Manchin ended

1:47.1

discussions on climate and taxes, neutering even Biden's scaled-back, billed

1:52.1

back better plan, he blamed it on inflation. In fairness, it wasn't just Biden and

1:57.7

his White House team who got it wrong. Jerome Powell, the Fed chairman and Janet

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