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The Conversation with Dasha Burns

LA wants to recall its most progressive prosecutor. Inside the DA’s hostile office

The Conversation with Dasha Burns

POLITICO

News, Politics, Government

4.01.6K Ratings

🗓️ 15 July 2022

⏱️ 43 minutes

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THE PLAYBOOK INTERVIEW: GEORGE GASCÓN — Gascón was elected district attorney of Los Angeles County in November 2020 with 54% of the vote.  “I won handsomely,” he reminisced Wednesday during a 90-minute conversation at the Hall of Justice in downtown L.A. “I got over 2 million votes.” It was a big victory for criminal justice reformers: the leading progressive prosecutor in the country taking over the movement’s top target, the largest county in the country and one that has long been hostile to change.  California makes it relatively easy to recall an elected official. It’s been part of the state constitution since 1911.  There was talk of recalling Gascón as soon as he was sworn in. And those calls were coming from inside the Hall of Justice, where many of his deputy district attorneys revolted against the changes.  “The week that I got sworn in, they started talking about recalling me,” Gascón said. “And they had to be told you have to wait at least 90 days.”  Voters will know by August 17 whether a recall of Gascón will be on the November ballot. Ryan Lizza is a Playbook co-author for POLITICO.George Gascón is the District Attorney of Los Angeles County.Afra Abdullah is an associate producer for POLITICO audio.Kara Tabor is a producer for POLITICO audio.Brook Hayes is a senior editor for POLITICO audio.Adam Allington is senior producer for POLITICO audio.Jenny Ament is executive producer for POLITICO audio. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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People fought really hard to ensure that I didn't win.

0:04.0

I won hamsonly.

0:08.0

George Gascon was elected District Attorney of Los Angeles County in November 2020.

0:14.0

It said the largest county in the country by a long shot.

0:17.0

It was a major victory for criminal justice reformers.

0:21.0

The leading progressive prosecutor in the country taking over the movement's top target.

0:26.0

Here's how Gascon explained it when we met this week in his office at the Hall of Justice in downtown LA.

0:32.0

We're larger than 32 states and because we incarcerate our rates that were higher proportionally,

0:39.0

than even some of the most conservative counties in the state proportionate,

0:43.0

we put more people on death road.

0:45.0

So we were way out there.

0:48.0

Back then, in the summer of 2020, after the murder of George Floyd sparked a new racial justice movement,

0:55.0

being a well-known advocate for criminal justice reform was an asset in this town.

1:00.0

People were putting up BLM signs in Beverly Hills and Gascon leaned into a message of radical reform.

1:08.0

But once in office, as some crimes in Los Angeles spiked, there was a backlash.

1:14.0

In Beverly Hills, the city council passed a vote of no confidence resolution against Gascon.

1:18.0

But it became fashionable for affluent white people to want to be pro-loyalist accountability.

1:24.0

It was kind of the cheek thing to do.

1:27.0

At the time, I actually thought there was a parting of the waters.

1:31.0

I said, for the first time, I'm hearing white affluent people understanding the suffering of black people in this country and poor people.

1:39.0

And I thought, this is a reversal.

1:41.0

This is a, you know, I was wrong there.

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