Every week, Hillsdale College President Larry Arne joins Hugh Hewitt to discuss great books,

great men, and great ideas. This is Hillsdale Dialogues, part of the Hillsdale College

Podcast Network. More episodes at podcast.com.hillsdale.edu or wherever you find your audio.

Morning, glory, America, and happy 4th of July.

Happy Independence Day to you.

It's Hugh Hewitt.

And this is a special edition of the Hughugh huitt show a special edition of the

hillsdale dialogues in fact all of which are available at hugh for hillsdale dot com and it's with

dr larry arne the president of hillsdale college all things hillsdale available at hillsdale dot edu and so

appropriate that he'd be joining me on july fourth for the past 15 years of the Hugh Hewitt show, I have aired an interview I did

originally a decade and a half ago with Dr. Harry Jaffa. And that interview is now not appropriate

to re-air because not only have I moved to the morning and the timing is all off, but Dr. Jaffa has

gone to his reward.

And so we're going to take the best of those hours and spend time with his student,

Dr. Larry Arnd, celebrating the 4th of July and Dr. Jaffa.

And Dr. Arn, would you tell people a little bit about Harry Jaffa and why it is appropriate

on the 4th of July?

We begin the day

that we celebrate our independence by celebrating those conversations with him about

this subject

uh... professor jeff was a scholar very great scholar of

classical thought especially aristotle

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