recipes are made to be broken.

If you don't have an ingredient and don't want to buy it, that's fine.

Like, just leave it out.

I mean, it can taste bad.

There's really nothing that can taste bad, like, if it's good ingredients.

Like, I don't know.

Just be, don't be intimidated.

Hi, welcome to Lennit Out, the podcast that you are listening to right now.

My name is Katie Dale about.

This week's episode is with my very close friend, Phoebe Lapine.

Phoebe is one of the most creative people I know.

And we've become very close friends since the last time she came on the podcast,

which was when her second book came out, The Wellness Project. And if you haven't listened to that

episode, go back and listen to it. You'll hear all about Phoebe and her background and upbringing.

And she, her first book was a cookbook that is really wonderful and I obviously love the wellness

project and she's recently written a screenplay. She's one of the most creative people I know.

The movie is going to be tremendous. I really can't wait for that. But that is not the project

that she is currently just created and put into

the world. She wrote the most amazing book. It's called Cebo made simple. Sebo, you're going to

learn all about Cibo if you don't know what it is. So don't even worry about it. If you do know

what it is, you probably want this book. It's a recipe book that I love so much. I don't cook famously,

which we discuss at length in this episode. She actually gives me some really great advice

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