Hi everyone and welcome to In Good Company. I'm Nicola Tangen and I am the CEO of the Norwegian Sovereign Wealth Fund.

And today I'm joined by somebody who I think probably is the world's greatest connector of ideas, people and art.

Hans Ulrich-Obrist is the artistic director of the Serpentine galleries in London and widely considered the best art curator in the world.

You created unbelievable amounts of exhibitions and today we're going to tease out the business behind your success, creativity, how to connect with people and what business can learn from all the kind of things

you've done. So warm welcome.

Thank you. Very nice to see you.

What does an art curator actually do?

Yeah, I've always followed this definition.

The writer, J.G. Ballard gave me when he didn't really understand what was my profession, so I was describing it to him.

And he says, so basically what you're doing is you're a junction maker. You create unexpected connections.

And I think that's kind of what is at the car of my practice. It's bringing artworks together,

bringing people together, creating situations and using also the exhibition as a kind of a medium

to create experiences.

What's the key to create interesting experiences?

I mean, I think the first, probably most important step is to listen.

The poet Eta Lannan said once that we sort of need to learn to listen again.

And I think listening to artists is always the beginning.

So I would go to studios.

It's something I've been doing ever since I'm a teenage.

When I was like 16, 17, I traveled all over Europeanine train,

and I went to see artists from Gerhard Richter to Rosemary

Trockel to Louis Bourgeois, to Anette, Messerge, to Fish Lvieve-Weis. So artists kind of all over

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