Hamas’s Attack on Israel and What Comes Next
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🗓️ 11 October 2023
⏱️ 60 minutes
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Summary
This past Saturday, the terrorist group Hamas launched an unprecedented raid from the Gaza Strip into southern Israel that left more than 1000 people—most of them Israeli civilians, many of them women, children, and the elderly—brutally murdered. Dozens more were taken as hostages back into Gaza. A shocked Israel has in turn responded with missile attacks into Gaza that have killed more than 800 Palestinians there, and is planning a broader offensive there. And as people search for more information on what’s transpired, there are concerns that events may yet spiral out into a broader regional war—one that, among other consequences, might derail efforts at normalization in the Israeli-Saudi relationship that have been a major focus of the United States in recent weeks.
To discuss these tragic events and their potentially seismic consequences, Lawfare Senior Editor Scott R. Anderson sat down with a panel of leading experts: Natan Sachs, a Senior Fellow at the Brookings Institution and Director of its Center for Middle East Policy; Dan Byman from the Center for Strategic & International Studies as well as Lawfare’s Foreign Policy Editor; Ghaith al-Omari of the Washington Institute for Near East Policy; and Lawfare’s Editor-in-Chief Benjamin Wittes. They discussed the ripple effects the attack is having throughout the region, the role that Iran and other actors may have played, and what it may yet mean for the region and the broader world.
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| 0:25.6 | no bull, and the aftermath. |
| 0:33.6 | On large there's this theory that if you hit Israel hard then it will compromise. I think almost |
| 0:38.8 | without exception is the reverse. You hit Israel very hard, it hardens and it fights back. |
| 0:44.4 | And when Israelis get convinced that this is a fight for their life and their life for their children |
| 0:49.1 | and they see babies and cages, they will fight. Like part of the idea of the state is that |
| 0:54.0 | finally there'd be one place where they can defend themselves. The fact that they failed so |
| 0:58.6 | miserable to defend themselves and their own will just cause them to double down on that, not |
| 1:02.7 | anything else. I'm Scott R. Anderson and this is the LawFair podcast for October 11th, 2023. |
| 1:10.1 | This past Saturday the terrorist group of Moss launched an unprecedented raid from the Gaza |
| 1:14.3 | Strip into southern Israel that left more than a thousand people brutally murdered. Most of them |
| 1:19.1 | Israeli civilians, many of them woman children and the elderly. Dozens more were taken as |
| 1:24.7 | hostages back into Gaza. Shocked Israel has in turn responded with missile attacks into Gaza that |
| 1:30.3 | have killed more than 800 Palestinians and is planning a broader offensive there. And as people |
| 1:35.5 | search for more information on what's transpired, there are concerns that events may yet spiral |
| 1:39.8 | out into a broader regional war. One that among other consequences might derail efforts at normalization |
| 1:46.0 | in the Israeli-sati relationship that had been a major focus of the United States in recent weeks. |
| 1:51.0 | To discuss these tragic events and their potentially seismic consequences, I sat down with |
| 1:54.7 | the panel of leading experts, including Natan Sachs, a colleague of mine at the Brookings Institution |
| 1:59.5 | and Director of our Center for Middle East Policy, Dan Bieman from the Center for Strategic |
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