Tino Cuéllar and Hadrien Pouget on AI Safety
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🗓️ 12 October 2023
⏱️ 53 minutes
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Summary
Artificial intelligence has massive upside potential. It could revolutionize education, science, and art, and lead to a more prosperous and equitable world. But it also carries equally massive downside risk—not just for individuals but for society and human civilization itself. How do we avail ourselves of AI's benefits while minimizing its costs?
That's a question that our two guests today have thought a lot about. Tino Cuéllar is a former Stanford law professor and California supreme court justice, and he's currently the President of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. Hadrien Pouget is an Associate Fellow in the Technology and International Affairs Program at Carnegie.
Alan Rozenshtein, Associate Professor of Law at the University of Minnesota and Senior Editor at Lawfare spoke with Tino and Hadrien about what lessons history can and can't teach us when it comes to regulating AI and what an international regulatory framework for this technology might look like.
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| 0:25.6 | no bull and the aftermath. The reality is much more complicated, right? At the end of the |
| 0:36.3 | day, today's internet, the less governed part of it brings with it some innovation and practicality |
| 0:42.8 | and adaptation, but also the craziness of, you know, foreign manipulation of, you know, |
| 0:51.1 | electoral processes and so on. It also highlights the extent to which even a relatively open |
| 0:57.3 | internet gets re-adapted and reinterpreted at the national level by authoritarian regimes. |
| 1:02.2 | So, I think all that is to say hard questions about what governance framework or approach might |
| 1:08.8 | be doable in the AI context that will still allow for plenty of innovation and flexibility, |
| 1:13.5 | but say like, you know what, there are some risks here, it's useful to know a little bit about |
| 1:18.3 | who's doing what at the frontier so that if something goes badly wrong, we kind of know who's |
| 1:23.3 | accountable for it. I'm Alan Rosenstein, associate professor of Law at the University of Minnesota |
| 1:28.9 | and senior editor at LawFair and this is the LawFair podcast for October 12, 2023. Artificial |
| 1:36.0 | intelligence has massive upside potential. It could revolutionize education, science and art |
| 1:41.5 | and lead to a more prosperous and equitable world, but it also carries equally massive |
| 1:46.4 | downside risk, not just for individuals but for society and human civilization itself. How do |
| 1:51.5 | we avail ourselves of AI's benefits while minimizing its costs? That's a question that my two guests |
| 1:56.6 | today have thought a lot about. Tino Quayar is a former Stanford Law professor in California's |
| 2:01.2 | Supreme Court justice. He's currently the president of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. |
| 2:05.7 | Hadrian Pujay is an associate fellow in the Technology and International Affairs program at Carnegie. |
| 2:10.9 | I spoke with Tino and Hadrian about what lessons history can and can't teach us when it comes to |
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