Gwyneth Paltrow x Ella Bell Smith and Stella Nkomo: Race and Gender in the Workplace

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Gwyneth Paltrow

Self-improvement, Health & Fitness, Society & Culture, Education

4.3 • 7.1K Ratings

🗓️ 21 September 2021

⏱️ 60 minutes

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Summary

GP is joined by Ella Bell Smith and Stella Nkomo, coauthors of Our Separate Ways: Black and White Women and the Struggle for Professional Identity. Based on groundbreaking research, the book uncovers how race and gender shape our workplaces, careers, and relationships with our colleagues. Today, GP, Smith, and Nkomo discuss their recently updated book and how our understanding of race, gender, class, and power has changed—and stalled—over the last twenty years. The authors share what makes them hopeful today. And they explain their approach to engaging in complex conversations and executing structural and cultural shifts that have the power to rebuild our workplaces and communities. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	When you are pioneering anything or introducing new ideas to the culture, you get criticized.
0:09.6	You do?
0:10.6	Yeah, did you hear about that?
0:12.4	I didn't find the one.
0:14.1	I found someone I respected and we made it the one.
0:17.4	In a sort of longing kind of view of love, people understand each other as if by magic.
0:22.6	Nothing in itself is addictive, on the one hand.
0:24.9	On the other hand, everything could be addictive if there's an emptiness in that person that
0:28.9	needs to be filled.
0:30.1	I now know that nobody changes until they change their energy.
0:34.6	And when you change your energy, you change your life.
0:38.4	I'm Gwyneth Paltrow.
0:40.0	This is the GOOP podcast, bringing together thought leaders, culture changers, creatives,
0:46.2	founders and CEOs, scientists, doctors, healers and seekers, here to start conversations,
0:53.2	make us simply asking questions and listening has the power to change the way we see the world.
0:59.3	Here we go.
1:01.3	Today I had the honor of interviewing two incredible thinkers who co-wrote a seminal book called
1:06.1	Our Separate Ways, Black and White Women and the Struggle for Professional Identity.
1:12.0	Funnily enough, one of these scholars, Ella Bell Smith, reminded me that we first met
1:16.3	in LA in 1999.
1:19.0	We crossed paths twice in the same day, which happened to be the day before the Oscars.
1:24.2	We reconnected more recently and I'm so glad because Ella is absolutely brilliant.
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