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Guardian Bans Fossil Fuel Ads: Emily Atkin Talks with CEO Anna Bateson

Drilled

Pushkin Industries

Earth Sciences, True Crime, Science

4.62.4K Ratings

🗓️ 18 February 2020

⏱️ 23 minutes

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Summary

We'll be back with more Mad Men tales next week, we promise! While we're out chasing leads, listen to this great interview from Emily Atkin with The Guardian's interim CEO Anna Bateson about that publication's decision to stop taking ads from fossil fuel companies.

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0:00.0

Hey, drilled listeners. This is Amy Westervalt. We're interrupting the flow of this season for a really good reason.

0:21.0

I've found some new documents and sources that are pretty relevant this season.

0:28.0

Here's a little snippet from one person I spoke with.

0:31.0

Just as we have found that there are deep linkages between the oil companies in tobacco on one hand,

0:38.0

and those linkages have given rise to vast troves of climate-related documents,

0:44.0

we're also finding that there are online archives of documents around benzene litigation,

0:52.0

and chloride litigation, pesticides litigation, and those same companies and those same strategies

0:58.0

and those same people show up over and over and over again.

1:02.0

It is clear that it was the same handful of companies, the same handful,

1:06.0

often of people playing out in these spaces over and over and over again.

1:11.0

You start to really put the pieces together for how these companies operated,

1:15.0

how they coordinated together, to shape the public discourse, to shape the science,

1:20.0

to shape our very understanding of the world and how we, as people, should be evaluating risk.

1:28.0

A few upsets into the season, I got some leads on some information that I hadn't seen before,

1:35.0

including some new documents that include details about the fossil fuel industries,

1:39.0

propaganda strategies that are super, super relevant at this season.

1:43.0

So, of course, I had to go and get them.

1:46.0

That's what I'm doing today, in fact, right after I take this intro.

1:50.0

We'll bring you more madmen tales starting up again next week,

1:54.0

including the story I mentioned at the end of last episode about Mr. and Mrs. Climate Nile.

2:00.0

In the meantime, I'm excited to bring you this interview from our partner over at the heated newsletter,

2:05.0

reporter Emily Atkin, who sat down with the Guardians Interim CEO Anna Bateson

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