Grooming | EP 9 | Jenifer's Story
Betrayal Weekly
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4.2 • 8.5K Ratings
🗓️ 14 July 2022
⏱️ 30 minutes
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Summary
A reoccurring theme throughout the series has centered around grooming. Rachel and the women with whom Spencer had affairs related how he built trust and leveraged vulnerabilities over time. Our audience, through emails to the show, has had conflicting and passionate feelings about what grooming is and who can be groomed. This week, Jenifer and Andrea speak to Jerika Heinze, who is both a survivor and an expert to shed light on what grooming is and the many insidious ways it works.
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| 0:00.0 | Just a few miles off the Thailand coast, the island of Kothau looks like a postcard. |
| 0:07.0 | I'd underneath the surface lies something sinister. |
| 0:11.0 | In the last 20 years dozens of tourists have died mysteriously on the island. |
| 0:16.0 | A dark cloud who's come over the island, death, mystery and danger. |
| 0:23.0 | Listen to Death Island every Wednesday on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. |
| 0:30.0 | This podcast discusses sexual assault. Please take care while listening. |
| 0:38.0 | All of a sudden, there he is standing there with this very abrupt information that, you know, I find you attractive. |
| 0:44.0 | I think you're beautiful. I want to kiss you. It's very confusing. I mean, our brain is just on a cognitive level, |
| 0:50.0 | trying to make sense of what's unfolding right now. And then all of a sudden, we might find ourselves going along with it. |
| 0:55.0 | Now we've shared a kiss. There usually is a feeling that there's a point of no return. |
| 1:09.0 | I'm Andrea Gunning. And this is Betrayal. |
| 1:14.0 | Episode 9. Gruming. |
| 1:22.0 | During the course of our series, Betrayal, we learned that Jennifer's then-husband, Spencer, had dozens of affairs and sexually assaulted one of his students. |
| 1:31.0 | Rachel, the student, bravely recounted her experience on an earlier episode. |
| 1:38.0 | She painstakingly recounts how a trusted adult in her life groomed her by first becoming a trusted mentor and confidant to a sexual predator. |
| 1:48.0 | It was hard to hear, but a lesson in how adults manipulate children. |
| 1:53.0 | I think I was more confused with a grown adult telling me that they had these feelings for me, that you see it in movies, you know, when someone confesses their feelings. |
| 2:05.0 | And as a kid, it's shocking. When someone tells you at the time that they love you, and they have these feelings for you that they don't want to hide, and that you're special, it was a shock. |
| 2:20.0 | I remember him specifically saying that he had never felt this way before with anyone, and that I was special in him. |
| 2:31.0 | That's how he made me feel. He made me feel special, and I could trust him if I ever needed to talk to him about anything personal. |
| 2:39.0 | That interview triggered a slew of responses from many of you. |
| 2:43.0 | Jen, would you mind reading one of those emails? Sure. |
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