Goody, humans. Welcome to the safe space for dangerous ideas. Are companies and universities becoming less tolerant of ideas that are a bit out there, a bit trey, a bit controversial, ideas that might be different from what the majority of people on campus or in the institution

think are the right ways of thinking. If you're on the wrong side of history, are you getting

excluded from not just polite society, but maybe even your job? The coddling of the American

mind was a book, initially a piece, a cover piece in the Atlantic magazine, that

hit the world like a lightning bolt. Back in 2015 was the Atlantic cover story about how we're all

becoming essentially snowflakes and we're raising children to be dysfunctionally sensitive and hyper-vulnerable.

It was written by Jonathan Haight and Greg Lukianoff.

Greg is our guest today.

He has a new book, a follow-up to the coddling of the American mind called The Canceling

of the American Mind, because what Greg works on in his day-to-day business,

essentially, as a lawyer, is in defending people who are being persecuted for holding unpopular

opinions, often at universities, often in big organizations. Greg is a New York Times best-selling

author. He's the president and CEO of the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression,

which is the acronym of which is Fire.

He's written a bunch of books about freedom of speech,

and his collaborator in the canceling of the American mind

is a Gen Zedder named Ricky Schlott, a journalist, political commentator, just in case anyone thought

that this was old fuddy-duddies shaking their fist at the heavens and saying, kids these days,

just can't take a joke.

Ricky is on hand to report from the front lines for the American University campus about what's going on,

what she's seen, and the aspirations that she holds for free speech in American academia and American capitalism. She's also a research

fellow at Fire and she has a podcast called Lost Debate, as well as being a columnist at The New York

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