This is not about me. He is his own expression of divinity. He is his own person. He is not me.

And I have a choice to love him and bring my best to him or not love him and not bring my best.

But that's all I get. I can do my part or not do my part, but he is not somebody I'm molding into anything.

He is his own person, and I get the choice if I'm going to love him or not.

And I think that just something shifted for me in that period, and it just made it easier to love,

care about him, and in this paradoxical way, not take responsibility

for him in the same way, which sounds wrong, but was right.

Welcome to conversations with Dr. Jennifer, a collection of interviews on the topics of relationships, sexuality, spirituality, and more.

All featuring Dr. Finlayson-Fife.

I am your host, Brad Broils, and I'm here with my colorful Coda Bear, co-host, Nathan Palmer.

You know, Brad, I never know how I'm going to be introduced on an episode.

I look forward to each iteration.

I don't know that I merit some of the titles, but Coda Bear is a name I will bear proudly. It's our mascot and couldn't be a better day for me. I'm more excited,

though, about our guest. I'm so excited about today's conversation. Yes, folks. I hope that you

buckle up, get a good drink with you because we have an excellent guest here today, Dr. Jennifer.

She is a licensed

psychologist and relationships coach. Jennifer, welcome to the show. Thanks for having me.

Love that you're here. Thank you for all that you do. How did you get involved with relationship

coaching? Well, I got my PhD in counseling psychology, so I'm a licensed therapist and I always had an interest in

marriage and marriage relationships and specifically intimate relationships. So also sexual relationships.

So that's where I focused all my training and education and my research. And I no longer am doing mental health counseling, but I really focused on teaching people's

skills and self-awareness to be able to create better relationships, better marriages,

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