as a former high school debater when I speak, I think I know you.

I know you. If if like a few different sliding doors when I was 19, I could have I could have been,

I mean, not I could not have been him. But you know what I mean?

Hello and welcome to the 538 Politics podcast. I'm Gaelin Drueck. We have a special

end of meteorological summer show planned today. It's an entire episode of good or bad uses of

polling, particularly since the first to be. There's been more attention on the polls and arguments

about what to make of them. So first up, why does Vivek Ramaswamy pull so differently

depending on survey methodology? Then what can we actually learn from asking Republican voters

who won the debate? Next was Nikki Haley's use of polling during the debate good or bad when she

said, quote, we have to face the fact that Trump is the most disliked politician in America.

We can't win a general election that way. After that, what is the purpose of democratic primary

polls that include matchups like Biden versus Michelle Obama or Biden versus Ilhan Omar? We have

somebody on the pod today who can speak to that directly. And after a summer when Republican

presidential candidates have sometimes struggled to articulate their positions on abortion,

Polster Kellyanne Conway is arguing that Republicans need to go on offense in favor of a national

15-week abortion ban in order to win. She points to polling. Is she right? Here to talk about all

of these uses of polling are two Polsters themselves. Kristen Sultis Anderson is the co-founder of

echelon insights. She's also got an op-ed in the New York Times today about how Republican voters

view Donald Trump. Kristen, welcome back to the podcast. It's so good to have you. Thank you for

having me. Also here with us is David Byler, Chief of Research at Noble Predictive. Welcome back

to the podcast, David. Thanks for having me. So I have a little bit of a bone to pick with you,

David. The last time you were on the podcast, you were a journalist at the Washington Post.

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