Good evening.

It's great fun to speak with Michael Yarn.

It's been too many months.

We last spoke when he was in Okinawa, scouting out old locations, asking Okinawa, the island chain of Okinawa is what the PLA Navy must

dominate in the event of an attack on Taiwan, defending itself from the counterattack by the U.S. Navy

and the self-defense force of Japan.

He was there also to enjoy himself, a traveling man. However,

he traveled to Buenos Aires to give a speech, and he's staying there for a few days. We reflected on all the learning we've had from the Darien Gap these last years.

It's now in the news routinely.

There once was a time it was not mentioned when we started in 21.

The surge was worst in 22, 23, and it's liable to be again

unless the Mexican-US border is secure.

Michael remembers the Darien Gap.

He also remembers crossing from Brownsville, Texas, from SpaceX, all the way to California.

That border, he says, can be secured by ICE and by Border Patrol.

But we have to see it happen. Also tonight, conversation

preview with Richard Munson, whose no book is ingenious, a biography of Benjamin Franklin

as a experimenter, a scientist, practical experimenter, again and again and again, experiments with

electricity, experiments with heat. Remember, Benjamin Franklin is the Franklin stove, the iron

construction that we have in our homes all up and down New England. I have one. It throws out an

enormous amount of heat. I don't use

wood fire. I use a natural gas fire. Same principle, the Franklin's stove. But he's speculating

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