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Hi, everyone.

Today I spoke with Paul Chek, and this was a long episode.

Gosh, was this an hour and a half?

Two hours, maybe?

If you don't know Paul Chek, he likes to go deep.

And I also like to go deep.

Now, normally, we kind of have a consolidated topic with an expert in that topic. And I'll try to

give you as much value as quickly as I can. With Paul, he has quite a broad breadth of knowledge, and therefore it's a bit harder to do that.

Now, we talked about a few things, and we got a bit philosophical, but we did actually, amid some

kind of disagreements and bandying concepts back and forth, hit a couple bedrock truths that I think are helpful,

whether you're a healthcare enthusiast or a health care provider.

One of the things that we discussed was one of the philosophical root challenges that leads

to some of the struggles of health care enthusiasts or those who are

trying to improve their health. We also got into a little bit of a back and forth on God and

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