Scott, you were smirk-free, so that's good.

Hi, everyone, from New York Magazine and the Vox Media Podcast Network.

This is On with Kara Swisher, and I'm Kara Swisher.

Today, I'm sitting down with someone you've probably seen me spar with on cable TV, CNN senior political commentator, Scott Jennings.

You heard that right. As the Wall Street Journal puts it, he's the conservative explaining

Red America to CNN viewers, and for some CNN viewers who are not in Red America, he is the villain.

Jennings has been in Republican politics for more than two decades. In the mid-aughts,

he worked as a special assistant to President George W. Bush and later advised Senator Mitch McConnell

in multiple campaigns. He was openly critical of President Trump before and during his first term, especially after the January 6th attacks, and as recently as 2023.

But at this point, it's fair to say that Jennings is a Trump man. And that's very clear if you read his new book, A Revolution of Common Sense, how Donald Trump stormed Washington and fought for Western civilization.

In it, Jennings argues that Donald Trump's second term is not just a political comeback, but a

transformation of the presidency itself. I wanted to talk to him about that and how his positions

have shifted dramatically over the years on all kinds of talking points. I also wanted to hear what he thinks

of the current MAGA infighting and what the post-Trump future of the Republican Party

will look like. Our expert question today comes from former Republican political strategist,

Tim Miller, host of the Bullwark podcast and a former colleague of Jennings. He has done the

opposite he'll turn to Jennings

and is a never-trumper.

This is going to be a spicy one,

but I also think it's really important

to talk to people you disagree with.

And Scott and I have had a really rocky relationship

...