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From the Ted Family of Podcasts,

from the Ted Family of Podcasts,

this is Design Matters with Debbie Milman.

For 15 years, Debbie Milman has been talking with designers and other creative people about what they do,

how they got to be who they are, and what they're thinking about and working on.

On this episode, Abby Wombach and Glenn and Doyle talked to Debbie on Zoom about love, career, and mental health.

Well, I don't like calling myself mentally ill.

It feels like mentally ill makes it seem like I'm about to get better.

I am not, Debbie. Hey listener, a quick favor.

We are conducting an audience survey and we'd be really grateful if you could take just a few minutes to respond.

Please visit survey.PRX.org

slash design matters to take the survey today.

That's survey dot PRX dot org slash design matters.

Thanks. In 2009, Glennan Doyle was married with three children and she started writing a blog called

Mommystary. She wrote a book that became an enormous bestseller, but on the start of her

tour for book number two, a memoir about the dramatic destruction and painstaking reconstruction of her marriage.

Her life changed dramatically.

She met Abby Wombach.

Abby Wombach is a two-time Olympic Gold Medalist, FIFA Women's World Cup Champion,

and six-time winner of the United States Soccer Athlete of the Year Award.

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