Ted Audio Collective.

In the meantime, we wanted to replay this interview from pre- Pandemic Times from December of 2019. A very myopic group of white men created a communication tool and I mean I just personally as a mother I would never

have created a tool that would take all eye contact away which is pretty much what most of these tools are doing is keeping everyone's eyes down.

This is Design Matters with Debbie Millman.

For 15 years, Debbie Millman has been talking with designers and other creative people about what they do, how they got to be who they are,

and what they're thinking about and working on.

On this episode, a conversation with Tiffany Schlingh about how cell phones have taken over

our lives.

Do we want to live in a world where we're just no one is ever present?

And I don't think so. Hey listener, a quick favor. We are conducting an audience survey and we'd be really

grateful if you could take just a few minutes to respond. Please visit survey dot PRX.org

slash design matters to take the survey today.

That's survey dot PRX.org

slash design matters.

Thanks.

You see them everywhere, walking down the street in bars and restaurants, even in your own home, at the table, on sofas and in beds.

Maybe you are one too. at the table, on sofas and in beds.

Maybe you are one too, a phone zombie.

It isn't pretty.

We have been taken over by our phones

and the other screens in our life.

Tiffany Schlaine says there's an ancient remedy for this affliction.

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