Welcome to Karen Hunter. It's awesome. And it's because I have awesome conversations with awesome people. That's why it's so awesome. So you just heard me talk with Gina Yashiree in part one. In part two, we got into her life. Now, admittedly, I didn't read

her book before she came on. And I typically don't because I'm not interviewing people to sell

books. I'm interviewing people because they're interesting. But she got me really wanting to read

her book. So when I got off the air with her, I ended up downloading Cackhanded. And oh my goodness,

I wish I had read it before I talked to her.

The woman is incredible. And by the way, cock-handed, it means left-handed. And stay tuned.

Are you cat-candid? I am cac-handed. It's an old English word which means left-handed,

awkward and clumsy because often left-handed people are perceived as awkward, which is not the case. 90% of the world is right-handed, which means the world is made for them. So if we're living in a world that's made for the opposite of what we are, we're going to be awkward. We're going to be knocking over glasses. If I'm in a bar and you're right-handed, you put your drink on your right hand. I'm gesticulating

with my left hand because that is my dominant hand. I'm going to knock over your glass. Yeah. It's not because I'm awkward. It's because you put your gun. But you're in Great Britain and in places that are colonized by Christianity and nuns and stuff. They used to beat children who were left-handed who are cack-hand.

Because Latin is sinister.

Sinister is the root of left sinister. and stuff. They used to beat children who were left-handed who were cack-hand. Because Latin is

sinister. Sinister is the root of left sinistery. So you were deemed to be demonic as well.

Exactly. My mother used to tie my hands up and make me right with my right hand for years.

I was ambidextrous for a while as a child because I was forced to write with my right hand.

You know, and everything in many cultures, the left hand is seen as unclean. That's the hand that's supposed to use to wipe your, and cack is another word for poo. Oh, yeah, for shit. And so cack handed, the left hand is the hand that's used to wipe your ass, hence cack handed. There are many meanings for the term. So it's seen as unclean, you know,

these are sat on the right hand of God, you know, everything right is good and left is bad.

So it's like being black. But I think about folk that have to navigate these things, right? So

Oprah Winfrey's left handed, Barack Obama's left handed. Wopi Goldberg, Robert DeNem, everybody. Yeah, because I feel like adversity, if you push through, if you can, breeds excellence on a level that not pushing through, doesn't. But we're talking with Gina Yashire. Your original name has an eye in front of the Y, but is the eye silent? Yeah, so it's more yashire, it's silent.

Is it Ebo?

No, my family are from Benin City, Nigeria, where the bronzes came from.

So Queen Idia, who the bronzes were based on, you've got to read, if you don't know the story

of Queen Idia, I usually wear a pendant with Queen Idiya on it.

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