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This is Recode Media with Peter Kafka. That is me. I'm talking to you live on tape from New York City.

We don't normally do a lot of newsy stuff on this podcast, but maybe that'll change because I just did a cool interview with Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber, who as you probably

know are the co-founders of Gimlet Media, which as you probably know just sold itself to Spotify.

As they note in this interview, they did not get a lot of rest recently, so I am very appreciative

of them giving me some of their time.

After that, we have a well-rested Alan Murray who runs Fortune, which has also been sold recently.

This is to a billionaire you probably have never heard of.

We discuss what that future is like as well.

Did you get some sleep?

No.

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