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Every year, hundreds of thousands of people from all over the world flock to Las Vegas for the Consumer Electronics Show.

And they spend a week trying to sell each other on the weirdest gadgets you've ever seen in your entire life.

This week on the Vergecast, we're talking all about everything happening at CES, from the TVs to the AI gadgets, to the humanoid robots that everybody is hoping might someday do your laundry and wash your dishes.

All that and much more on the Vergecast wherever you get podcasts.

This is Recode Media, Peter Kafka. That is me speaking to you live on tape from New York City.

Here is Bryce Roberts. He's very tall. I think of him as a recovering venture capitalist. What's your actual title now, Bryce? It's, you know, it's somewhere in there. I'm just an investor. Just an investor. You were ahead of the indie.V.C. movement. Is that a thing? I mean, movement's aggressive, but it's moving in the right direction, yes.

We normally don't have people who write checks come and talk on this podcast.

Normally people who run businesses or a pine about businesses.

One, I want to branch out a little bit.

Two, as we are learning, we always knew this, but it's been learning again recently.

How you fund your company has a lot to do

with the progression or not progression of your company that's been in the news with media companies

recently and lots of companies. So I want to talk to you about what you do, generally how that might

apply to a media company. We'll go from there. We'll talk about Tommy Evanson at the end.

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