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Sign up for your £1 per month trial at Shopify.com.ukau. This is Recode Media with Peter Kafka. That is me. I'm part of the Vox Media Podcast Network here in New York City, talking with Jill Abramson, former executive editor of the New York Times.

Now she's got a great new book called Merchants of Truth, The Business of New York City talking with Jill Abramson, former executive editor of the New York Times. Now she's got a great new book called Merchants of Truth, the Business, News, and the Fight for Facts. Welcome, Jill.

Thank you. This is a great book. If you listen to this podcast, as you're doing right now,

you will like this book because this is about technology, media, their collision, what that means

for journalism.

You spend the book focused on four companies in particular, New York Times, which you used

to run, Washington Post, Vice, and BuzzFeed.

Why did you pick those four companies to focus on?

I picked those four because they were very much ascendant at the point.

I began researching the book and hanging out.

This is four-ish, five-ish years ago?

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