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The Times Tech Podcast

Genomic Prediction’s Stephen Hsu: “Making superhumans will be possible”

The Times Tech Podcast

Will Morley

Business, Unknown, Technology

4.9654 Ratings

🗓️ 11 March 2022

⏱️ 64 minutes

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Summary

The Sunday Times’ tech correspondent Danny Fortson brings on Stephen Hsu, co-founder of Genomic Prediction, to talk about the plummeting price of genomic sequencing (5:00), predicting height and cancer (9:10), mining biobanks (14:25), scoring embryos (19:00), why investors are staying anonymous (28:00), the need for a society-wide discussion (32:30), when he was accused of being a eugenicist (37:25), how powerful genetic prediction can be (43:15), genetic engineering (49:45), and why Denmark is the future (59:30).


See Stephen Hsu's podcast here: https://www.manifold1.com/



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0:00.0

Yo, technology.

0:02.9

What is it all about?

0:04.4

I think a real inflection point may happen, though, when the safety and effectiveness of editing becomes so strong that billionaires really can produce super children.

0:16.0

And once word of that gets out, people are going to really pause and say, wait a minute, wait a minute.

0:21.4

Like Donald Trump's kid is, you know, six foot four and has an IQ of 200 and seems like he's

0:29.7

going to live to be 200 years old.

0:31.5

How come he gets to do that and we don't get to do that.

0:51.2

Hello and welcome to Danny in the Valley, your weekly dispatch from behind the scenes and inside the minds of the top people in tech.

0:53.1

I'm your host, Danny Fortson, the West Coast correspondent for the Sunday Times coming to you from London.

1:00.6

I am in the big smoke this week running around to from meeting to meeting, kind of with my hair

1:05.8

on fire. It's very weird to be in a big city with lots of people running around. It's kind of like

1:10.2

a shock to the system after two years of lockdown and kind of

1:14.4

relatively sleepy Silicon Valley just in terms of the sheer numbers of people and energy

1:20.4

relative to like being on the train at Rush Hour in London, Yauza, different world.

1:27.2

But it's also kind of great.

1:29.5

But anyhow, this week's episode, man, we have a mindbender for you. So this is an interview I did

1:36.0

last week right before I left. And it's about genomics and how we are entering this entirely

1:42.3

new era of, if not designer babies,

1:46.0

certainly being able to choose children on a whole array of characteristics.

1:50.6

We're starting with things like their proclivities for a number of diseases like cancer or schizophrenia,

1:55.2

but it's also possible today to choose embryos that are based on potential IQ, skin tone, eye color.

2:03.8

You can see where this is going.

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