Baroness Beeban Kidron: "A generational injustice"

The Times Tech Podcast

Will Morley

Business, Unknown, Technology

4.9 • 654 Ratings

🗓️ 4 March 2022

⏱️ 56 minutes

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Summary

The Sunday Times’ tech correspondent Danny Fortson brings on Baroness Beeban Kidron to talk about the crackdown on Silicon Valley over how they treat children online (4:30), the age-appropriate design code (8:45), creating a window into the child’s experience online (13:10), the regressive effect of social media on girls and young women (18:00), the fallout from Frances Haugen’s whistleblowing (23:15), why she let he career as a film director (26:30), joining the House of Lords (31:30), leaving school at 15 (33:20), starting the 5 Rights Foundation (35:15), getting the Age Appropriate Design Code passed (41:00), and enforcing the code (45:40).

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0:00.0	Yo, technology.
0:02.9	What is it all about?
0:04.4	The great thing about the internet was there would be no gatekeepers,
0:08.4	it was a democratizing technology, and all users were equal.
0:12.4	Now, I can actually give you a full critique on all three of those,
0:16.0	but at the time, what struck me was I've worked out what the problem is.
0:21.8	It's if you treat all users equally, it means you treat a kid as if they're an adult.
0:27.4	And once I had that thought, it was like the matrix or something.
0:33.5	It went all the way backwards.
0:56.4	Hello and welcome to Danny in the Valley, your weekly dispatch from behind the scenes and inside the minds of the top people in tech.
1:01.7	I'm your host, Danny Forts, and the West Coast correspondent for the Sunday Times, and I am feeling good.
1:11.3	Excited, actually. Next week, I'm heading back to London for the first time in like three years since before that COVID thing was a thing.
1:14.7	So I'm very excited to head back to HQ, check in with everybody,
1:18.5	catch up with old friends, have a proper pint.
1:19.8	Can't wait.
1:20.5	It's going to be great.
1:25.6	And kind of in preparation for my trip back across the pond this week, we have a guest from the esteemed House of Lords.
1:30.3	Baroness Beban Kidron is on the show.
1:33.6	And if you don't know Baroness Kidron or what she has been up to,
1:37.4	you are in for a treat.
1:39.3	So, long-time listeners may recall that way back in the early days of this pod,
1:48.0	back when our logo was still a rainbow unicorn, which I have to say I still miss.
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