Gaza Peace Plan explained – Everything you need to know

This Is Not A Drill with Gavin Esler

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🗓️ 8 October 2025

⏱️ 23 minutes

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A US-led peace plan has brought renewed hopes that an end to the conflict in Gaza may be in sight. But as talks in Cairo continue over the release of Israeli hostages and Palestinian prisoners, the withdrawal of Israeli troops and disarmament of Hamas, what are the prospects for a lasting peace settlement? Gavin Esler discusses the latest with Gregg Carlstrom, Middle East correspondent for The Economist. • This episode of This Is Not A Drill is supported by Incogni the service that keeps your private information safe, protects you from identity theft and keeps your data from being sold. There’s a special offer for This Is Not A Drill listeners – go to https://incogni.com/notadrill to get an exclusive 60% off your annual plan. • Support us on Patreon to keep This Is Not A Drill producing thought-provoking podcasts like this. Written and presented by Gavin Esler. Produced by Robin Leeburn. Original theme music by Paul Hartnoll – https://www.orbitalofficial.com. Executive Producer Martin Bojtos. Managing Editor Jacob Jarvis. Group Editor Andrew Harrison. This Is Not A Drill is a Podmasters production. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:32.6	Here are two sentences that you may have heard many times before.
0:42.3	Donald Trump has a peace plan for Gaza, and President Trump wants everyone involved to move fast.
0:49.1	The old joke is that it's deja vu all over again, but this time there is a glimmer of hope that things may
0:54.8	indeed be moving towards the release of the remaining hostages held by Hamas, and in return,
1:00.3	a release of Palestinian prisoners held by Israel. Can we dare to hope that peace in Gaza might be
1:07.0	possible at last? I'm Gavin Esler, and this is Not a Drill.
1:35.2	Joining me today from Saudi Arabia to make sense of the American peace plan, we welcome
1:39.4	Greg Karlstrom, Middle East correspondent for the economist.
1:43.0	Greg, we've heard about the peace plan.
1:45.0	Is this any different from what we heard before? And why are people taking it a bit more seriously
1:50.1	this time? I think a couple of reasons why. One is the pressure that Donald Trump seems to have
1:57.6	exerted in recent weeks on bin Yamin Netanyahu, the Israeli prime minister.
2:02.6	It does seem like really for the first time in two years that the Americans are pushing
2:07.6	the Israelis to accept this deal. That's one difference. And I think a second thing is that
2:13.4	for most of this war, we've been talking about phased agreements, where there would be a first stage,
2:18.9	where some of the hostages would be released, and the war would stop for a brief period of time.
2:23.7	And then during that first phase, you would talk about how to make this a more lasting, more durable
2:30.5	ceasefire. This 20-point plan that Trump released at the White House envisions all of the
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